Comments on: 香港 (Hong Kong) remembers 天安門 (Tian’anmen) http://lambcutlet.org/blog/2005/06/04/hong-kong-remembers-tiananmen/ Jonathan Stanley's little corner on the Internet where he muses on life, phpBB (PHP Bulletin Board), (X)HTML, CSS, Web Standards, Science, Technology and whatever miscellaneous stuff that takes his fancy. Sat, 13 Mar 2010 14:42:23 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=X.Y-svn-lambcutlet Comment on 香港 (Hong Kong) remembers 天安門 (Tian’anmen) by: Jonathan Stanley http://lambcutlet.org/blog/2005/06/04/hong-kong-remembers-tiananmen/#comment-170 Thu, 09 Jun 2005 14:28:22 +0000 http://lambcutlet.org/blog/2005/06/04/hong-kong-remembers-tiananmen/#comment-170 I was a bit naughty in using Hong Kong as an example as it never really has been self sufficient regarding food or water, which it has to import, though that is true of any city-state like entity which includes Vatican City, Monaco, Singapore, Macau and so on. However, Hong Kong does have a very well developed infrastructure for transports, healthcare, and so on, which is also another way of measuring if a place is overpopulated. The Netherlands is indeed a place which has (I guess converse to intuition... one thinks windmills, fields and clogs... *ducks*) high population density, and other developed coutries of similar densities which aren't sesame-sized include the Republic of China (Taiwan), South Korea, Japan and Belgium. I was a bit naughty in using Hong Kong as an example as it never really has been self sufficient regarding food or water, which it has to import, though that is true of any city-state like entity which includes Vatican City, Monaco, Singapore, Macau and so on. However, Hong Kong does have a very well developed infrastructure for transports, healthcare, and so on, which is also another way of measuring if a place is overpopulated.

The Netherlands is indeed a place which has (I guess converse to intuition… one thinks windmills, fields and clogs… *ducks*) high population density, and other developed coutries of similar densities which aren’t sesame-sized include the Republic of China (Taiwan), South Korea, Japan and Belgium.

]]> Comment on 香港 (Hong Kong) remembers 天安門 (Tian’anmen) by: spoxy http://lambcutlet.org/blog/2005/06/04/hong-kong-remembers-tiananmen/#comment-169 Thu, 09 Jun 2005 14:07:33 +0000 http://lambcutlet.org/blog/2005/06/04/hong-kong-remembers-tiananmen/#comment-169 Thanks for the highly educational comments! I think I might have been one of the people believing that dense population equals overpopulation. But your example of Hong Kong does make it clearer. One could also suggest looking at the Netherlands and Monacco, as these are also well to do countries very densly populated.... Thanks for the highly educational comments! I think I might have been one of the people believing that dense population equals overpopulation. But your example of Hong Kong does make it clearer. One could also suggest looking at the Netherlands and Monacco, as these are also well to do countries very densly populated….

]]> Comment on 香港 (Hong Kong) remembers 天安門 (Tian’anmen) by: Jonathan Stanley http://lambcutlet.org/blog/2005/06/04/hong-kong-remembers-tiananmen/#comment-164 Wed, 08 Jun 2005 23:31:18 +0000 http://lambcutlet.org/blog/2005/06/04/hong-kong-remembers-tiananmen/#comment-164 Ralph: The whole Internet censorship issue in mainland China is something that concerns me though as you may know in Hong Kong and Macau, that law isn't the case. Indeed, some Hong Kong websites are blocked in China! Still, when I visited Hong Kong earlier this year, I was told by my relatives where previously mainland Chinese had to visit Hong Kong in government approved tour groups or business visas with the state effectively controlling what they did or didn't see, the laws have been relaxed in this sense since 2003 and individuals can now visit on the "Individual Visit Scheme". So in that sense, it's one of the things the mainland government is doing in terms of "opening up" and hopefully something that will be sustained. How this will all play out is something I think unfortunately no crystal ball is good enough to foretell. Justin: I'd hate to disappoint you with the fact your perspective is rather skewed. Curiously, China, the USA and Canada are pretty much the same size as far as landmass is concerned. In terms of <strong>population density</strong>, they rank 77th, 176th and 222nd respectively... which really says more how unpopulated they are overall. In fact, the population density of the European Union is comparable to China. As I said, it's the ability to feed a population that is the metric if a place is overpopluated. You could have someplace the size of Russia (it's really, really big), yet if it wasn't able to sustain a population of 10 people, then it is overpopulated. Conversely, take someplace like Hong Kong which is about the size of London or New York in land area and has a population of 7 million, yet able to sustain for the sake of arguement, 10 million people... then Hong Kong would <strong>not</strong> be overpopulated. It would be very densely populated, however high density doesn't mean overpopulation is true, or vice versa. Ralph: The whole Internet censorship issue in mainland China is something that concerns me though as you may know in Hong Kong and Macau, that law isn’t the case. Indeed, some Hong Kong websites are blocked in China! Still, when I visited Hong Kong earlier this year, I was told by my relatives where previously mainland Chinese had to visit Hong Kong in government approved tour groups or business visas with the state effectively controlling what they did or didn’t see, the laws have been relaxed in this sense since 2003 and individuals can now visit on the “Individual Visit Scheme”. So in that sense, it’s one of the things the mainland government is doing in terms of “opening up” and hopefully something that will be sustained. How this will all play out is something I think unfortunately no crystal ball is good enough to foretell.

Justin: I’d hate to disappoint you with the fact your perspective is rather skewed. Curiously, China, the USA and Canada are pretty much the same size as far as landmass is concerned. In terms of population density, they rank 77th, 176th and 222nd respectively… which really says more how unpopulated they are overall. In fact, the population density of the European Union is comparable to China. As I said, it’s the ability to feed a population that is the metric if a place is overpopluated. You could have someplace the size of Russia (it’s really, really big), yet if it wasn’t able to sustain a population of 10 people, then it is overpopulated. Conversely, take someplace like Hong Kong which is about the size of London or New York in land area and has a population of 7 million, yet able to sustain for the sake of arguement, 10 million people… then Hong Kong would not be overpopulated. It would be very densely populated, however high density doesn’t mean overpopulation is true, or vice versa.

]]> Comment on 香港 (Hong Kong) remembers 天安門 (Tian’anmen) by: Justin http://lambcutlet.org/blog/2005/06/04/hong-kong-remembers-tiananmen/#comment-163 Wed, 08 Jun 2005 22:28:27 +0000 http://lambcutlet.org/blog/2005/06/04/hong-kong-remembers-tiananmen/#comment-163 1.3 Billion! Imagine if the USA had 275 states! Or if Canada had 2,500 provinces! That should give some perspective. 1.3 Billion! Imagine if the USA had 275 states! Or if Canada had 2,500 provinces!

That should give some perspective.

]]> Comment on 香港 (Hong Kong) remembers 天安門 (Tian’anmen) by: Ralph http://lambcutlet.org/blog/2005/06/04/hong-kong-remembers-tiananmen/#comment-162 Wed, 08 Jun 2005 05:54:16 +0000 http://lambcutlet.org/blog/2005/06/04/hong-kong-remembers-tiananmen/#comment-162 I must admit it is really depressed when I tried to find some source about June 4 Massacre,and all the links except Western guys' cannot be browsed,thanks to the damn Chinese Govt.But I was lucky to find here,you offer a clear vision among Westerners.China is not overpopulated,but too huge,that means either to be a great power,or to be sustained empire caused by its own inner problems.You had mentioned the identity of Taiwan.Being a P.R.C. citizen,I extremely for your opinion,while AFP and Reuters always misleaded Western readers. I must admit it is really depressed when I tried to find some source about June 4 Massacre,and all the links except Western guys’ cannot be browsed,thanks to the damn Chinese Govt.But I was lucky to find here,you offer a clear vision among Westerners.China is not overpopulated,but too huge,that means either to be a great power,or to be sustained empire caused by its own inner problems.You had mentioned the identity of Taiwan.Being a P.R.C. citizen,I extremely for your opinion,while AFP and Reuters always misleaded Western readers.

]]> Comment on 香港 (Hong Kong) remembers 天安門 (Tian’anmen) by: Jonathan Stanley http://lambcutlet.org/blog/2005/06/04/hong-kong-remembers-tiananmen/#comment-161 Sun, 05 Jun 2005 02:13:09 +0000 http://lambcutlet.org/blog/2005/06/04/hong-kong-remembers-tiananmen/#comment-161 For the former, China has a huge population, though it doesn't even make the top 50 in the World are far as population density goes. A country is only overpopulated is it has problems sustaining the population, which China doesn't... indeed, as it develops, it may even be underpopulated and be in the same situation as the West with it's greying population and forthcoming pensions crisis. As for the latter... a bit difficult for any web browser to display text it doesn't have fonts for. For the former, China has a huge population, though it doesn’t even make the top 50 in the World are far as population density goes. A country is only overpopulated is it has problems sustaining the population, which China doesn’t… indeed, as it develops, it may even be underpopulated and be in the same situation as the West with it’s greying population and forthcoming pensions crisis.

As for the latter… a bit difficult for any web browser to display text it doesn’t have fonts for.

]]> Comment on 香港 (Hong Kong) remembers 天安門 (Tian’anmen) by: Justin http://lambcutlet.org/blog/2005/06/04/hong-kong-remembers-tiananmen/#comment-160 Sun, 05 Jun 2005 01:34:14 +0000 http://lambcutlet.org/blog/2005/06/04/hong-kong-remembers-tiananmen/#comment-160 Isn't the root of many Chinese problems overpopulation (the cheap workers, the extremely strict government, etc.)? In FireFox the Chinese characters are question marks, in IE they are squares. Interesting minute difference. Browser versions I used: FF v1.0.4, IE 6.0 SP1 Isn’t the root of many Chinese problems overpopulation (the cheap workers, the extremely strict government, etc.)?

In FireFox the Chinese characters are question marks, in IE they are squares. Interesting minute difference.

Browser versions I used: FF v1.0.4, IE 6.0 SP1

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